step 1. Yet, for the genealogy, everyone knowthat for each rule you will find an exception. A great vexing section ofgenealogy is that no body most knows how to make use of the fresh exceptions orrules with any decisive adjective such usually, possibly, most likely,probably, an such like. It would be fascinating if the indeed there almost every other advice ofjointures becoming made a year otherwise one or two after a known matrimony big date.
2. Can there be an extant dispensation on matrimony of ElizabethClifford and Sir Ralph Bowes who were third cousins thru Henry Fitzhugh,third Lord Fitzhugh otherwise next cousins, immediately after taken out of the new fifth LordClifford? That would restrict their relationship date.
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Presumably, when the a great dispensation try sought and you can granted, it could havebeen by the among the after the, and will come in the new correspondingregister publication, in the event it endures:
Thomas Savage, Archbishop from York 1501-1507Christopher Bainbridge, Bishop from Durham 1507-1508, Archbishop of York1508-1514William Senhouse, Bishop away from Durham 1502-1505Thomas Ruthall, Bishop of Durham 1509-1523Richard Leyburn, Bishop from Carlisle 1502-1508John Penny, Bishop regarding Carlisle 1509-1520
5. If for example the 10th Lord Clifford do wed in early 1487 [say January] andhas Age later in this season, does new chronology maybe not functions?
John arms sexy Austin, NV girl?
E born in late 1487, Henry born within the 1488/nine, Joan when you look at the ,etcetera. filling in the brands of your post off . In the event the (a) thechronology however works; and (b) their relationships piece was not reasonable; thenwe simply have the fresh new 1505 pedigree away from Henry VII’s which is inside oppositionto the newest conjecture you to definitely she was a legitimate daughter.
6. Concerning your 1505 pedigree: May be the Clifford daughters brand new onlyknown Henry VII connections excluded? Were there other people? In that case,would not one mirror poorly on this subject file once the a resource?
Out-of evaluations You will find made from this new c.1505 Henry VII Connections pedigreeswith the fresh 1480-1500 Visitation of your own North pedigrees, being
Regarding c.1505 Relations pedigrees, this new Clifford youngsters are maybe not listedin good Clifford pedigree, but alternatively regarding St. John pedigree. Since I’mnot familiar with the new St. John members of the family, following the is the recommendations asit appears regarding the c.1505 pedigree, while the obtained from the brand new 1834 Coll. Most readily useful. etGen. blog post. The fresh phrasing for the quotations is exactly since it seems inthe 1834 post (pp. 310-311).
“No. XII.”Out of my personal Lord Welles daughter, Sir Richard Pole, Mistress Verney, SirJohn St. John, together with other.”f.288, 296, 317, 318.”Margaret Duchess out of Somerset got three husbands.” Of the “John Duke ofSomerset” she had “My Woman brand new King’s Mother.” that has “New Queen.” whohad “Prince “Because of the “Sir Oliver Saint John, very first husband.” she had step 3 daus & dos sons:
Good. “Edith, married in order to Geoffrey Pole out of Buckinghamshire.” They’d:A1. “Sir Richard Rod, Knt. wedded into the Woman Margaret, dau. away from theDuke regarding Clarence.” That they had: “Harry. “A2. “Alianor, married so you’re able to Ralph Verney, Esq.” That they had: “John Verney.—– [child, unnamed]. ——-[yet another child, unnamed].”
B. “John Ssint John, esq.” He’d five children:B1. “Sir John Saint John, Knight.” that has “Four daughters and oneson.”B2. “Anne, wedd. so you’re able to Harry Lord Clifford.” They’d “Jane. Mabill.Henry, young buck and you will heir. Anne. Thomas. Alianor.”B3. “Age, married so you’re able to Thomas Kent, Esq. off Lincolnshire.”B4. “A beneficial Nun out of Shaftesbury.”B5. “Oliver Saint John.”
C. “Dame Mary, married so you can Sir Richard Frognall.” They had:C1. “Edmond Frognall and his awesome brethren and you will sistren.” With issueindicated, although not titled.C2. “E, wedded in order to Sir William Gascoigne, Knt.”
D. “Elizabeth, married very first to your Lord Zouche; shortly after to your LordScrope of Bolton.” Issue:D1. [by Zouche] ” Catesby.” That they had:”E. George. John. William.”D2. [from the Scrope] ” Conyers.” With issueindicated but not titled.
Margaret Duchess out-of Somerset, by the “Lionel Lord Welles, last spouse.”had: “John Viscount Welles, married Cecily, dau. off K. Edward IV.” andthey had “Age.”